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DanielsPornStar wrote:He Who is Unbearably Hot
:lol: I like that!
Cyanaurora wrote:It does seem odd to talk about something you have no first hand knowledge of. Why not just say I don't know?
Sounds like a sensible solution to me. :)

I suppose he's been asked the Bond vs. Bourne question so much that he felt somewhat pressured to give an opinion, so he offered a soundbite based on what he knew of the Bond franchise in the past. *shrugs*
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JAMES BOND - JASON BOURNE? Hmmmmm
They may have the same initials but you can't reinvent an icon without scathing comparisons and I think DC fills out a t-shirt and oh.....well practically anything else to distraction.
Just some feedback from some radio personalities here in Van.
(M) male (F) female (not necessarily verbatim) I thought it was funny:

M - Did you watch the Bourne Ultimatum this weekend?
F - Yeah, I thought it was absolutely fantastic! I was amazed.
M - Yeah, well I thought it was LAME! and it's so predictable....lose him, find him, lose him, find him....and the end - such a mistake - two assassins hugging and bonding...come on.

F - Let's take a poll - maybe it's a male/female thing.
A few minutes later....

Takes a call from a female - "I thought it was lame too". Whoop dee friggin' do. (laughs)

Takes a call from a male - (sarcastically) Yeah, at the end - I just had to get up and hug my (male) friend and tell him how much I loved him....(sniff, sniff)....SO LAME....anyways this is a CHICK FLICK...come on - you girls just want to see this kid run around in that tight t-shirt - give me Transformers over this movie.

F - Hey, you know what you can do with your Optimus prime!
M - Doesn't look like girls or guys like this one, eh?
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http://movies.uk.msn.com/features/MSNMo ... id=5833265

I found this just now - it talks about Bond Vs Bourne, and you can vote for Jack Bauer, James Bond, Jason Bourne. Interesting that three of the heroes inittials starts with JB. Vote for James Bond! He winning at the moment!

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StarryDannyFan wrote:http://movies.uk.msn.com/features/MSNMo ... id=5833265

I found this just now - it talks about Bond Vs Bourne, and you can vote for Jack Bauer, James Bond, Jason Bourne. Interesting that three of the heroes inittials starts with JB. Vote for James Bond! He winning at the moment!

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let the voting begin!
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I voted for our boy! This weekend I saw the "Bourne Ultimatum" and it was good. The trilogy came to a full circle. However, I like MD but there was no acting! To be honest, DC gave a twist to the Bond character which it needed for the last couple Bond movies were ok but nothing out of this world!Too many gadgets and no personality; it gets old that a man can get @@@ and that was how deep his emotional facade went.


I feel that in the next Bond movie, our Bond will continue to be stubborn
and capricious but in a forgiven way which makes him vulnerable!
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Bourne? Bond? Of course Bond.

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I too am sick with the comparisons between the two JBs. What is most disheartening is people kept saying saying how great Bourne is and how not great Bond was, comparing Bourne's 3 movies with Bond's entire list of movies, good and bad. But let's juat stick to Bourne in Bourne movies and Bond in Casino Royale and I feel, I actually feel Casino Royale is a better movie. I likve straight forward type of filming, not thise shaky hands documentary feel with the chiefs saying cliche lines like get them or whatever. And I hate it when I read how the actor and I think the director compared these two characters and what was it they call Bond?" Mysoginist? IMperialist? Womaniser? Liked killing? Cold blooded killer? Wears Prada? And Bourne was what? Loved only ONE woman, trying to find his identity, had more compassion because he refused to kill? More gritty?

People often forget Bond was to entertain. It has a premise all young boys would have in their fantasy and all young girls wished they were in the arms of such a man. I remember my family always said, when they were little they were poor and only a handful could afford to travel abroad. Bond movies provided the gateway to the outside world, they could see how other countries look like, women in bikinis, nice cars, gadgets and stuff. Whilst all these became cliche as the time goes by, Casino Royale managed to maintain what was good with the old movies and gave it a modern perspective as in more edgy, more gritty, more urgent and more dangerous. But even now as I saw that movie I could see the scenery and I marvel at it because I am not in the position to go there yet so Bond movies provided me an opportunity to watch what is a tavelogue within a really entertaining good movie. And a movie that entertains and makes a star of the lead actor is a good movie. I never liked Bourne movies. I laughed when that guy simply simply refused to die in the first movie. Can't remember the 2nd and does not think much of the third.

But if one must compare, if Bourne and Bond are real, in a fight who would win? For one I have the highest respect for what was it? MI6? CIA, I don't think of much. Accent wins for Bond. You must admit he has style. And to criticise him for his fashion sense, you can't exactly walk into a high class casino clad in jeans and t-shirt. I wouldn't mind seeing Daniel Craig in jeans and t-shirt but it is not appropriate. Bourne is involved with finding his own identity, Bond is in a mission again criminals mastermind who so happens to be rich, enjoys being rich and is living rich. So you can't have a poor looking Bond after a guy who almost certainly always attend high class places. On the killing issue, come on....Bond doesn't enjoy killing. He simply had to kill and he doesn't cry about it because it is his job to kill. The difference is whether he is killing a bad guy or a good guy. Of course Bond always kills the bad guy. Bourne is too concerned with his own feelings to kill effectively. he does fight well, he will kill when he had too but a killer with a conscience does not match. It is not to say Bond doesn't care or that he doesn't have a conscience. He cares, he is just involved in a job that caring too much will hurt those he loves most so he prefers to be alone and be cold and ignore his feelings.

Bourne has a lover who died. Ok. Poor man. Does that make Bond any lesser of a human being simply because he is not mourning for his dead lover? Don't forget, Vesper Lynd died for him. The difference is Bourne's woman was killed whilst Vesper killed herself. Let's wait for Bond 22 to see if Bond mourns for her. But let's not forget Bond had a wife who was killed too. I am sure he mourned for her and better yet goes killing those who killed her which is of course more effective than just mourning. Now gadgets... the Bourne teams says Bond had too many gadgets, Bourne had little, so Bourne is more real. Can't disagree with that. But isn't a gun a gadget? From the posters I see bourne is holding a humungous looking gun and Bond? Well let's look at the poster and see how tiny is the gun and yet how deadly? I can't remember Bond using the gun in Casino Royale, mostly fists but in past movies, Bond survives not just by his gadgets, but by his hands and more importantly by his wit. And all those talks about the movie Casino Royale, a revamp thanks to Bourne movies, following the darker gritty style. Anyone who has ever read Casino Royale the book would know this is simple not true. All movies these days are gritty, dark etc. If anything, Bourne movies taught the producers the viewers' taste has changed and so they went back to what's good with the franchise, give it a bit of an update and went back essentially to the essence of the book. And could still be funny. That is quite an achievement. And all these talks about Bond being irrelevant in today's world is simply an optimistic view of what is essential an even more dangerous violent world where people kills by just strapping a bomb onto themselves and they kill indiscriminately and they kill themselves. It used to be about world domination but now is religious fanatics, some unseen unreasonable cause and greed. And it is Bond we need if there was a real Bond; a person capable of putting aside his personal feelings and just kill to protect queen and country. And I can't find any more noble reason to kill than to protect the greater good because if killing is a necssity (when it shouldn't be but let's face it, if some doesn't die, others innocent may be harmed) I want a cold blooded killer who doesn't care about his conscience. His conscience is driven by his need to protect and this is shown in the earlier scenes of Casino Royale where he killed a bombmaker and guess what? M scolded him for killing one bombmaker. He has ideals but sometimes he has to push aside his ideals to complete his task for the greater good. It is lucky that he is on the good side.

Which comes to the favourite question of Bourne Vs Bond. Who is a better fighter? Who can kick whose ass? This is not a US Vs UK type of fight. This is simply who is a better character?

Bourne is a very good fighter, can withstand pain and in top physical condition. I believe Bond is older than Bourne and more experienced since he was a commander, right? Anyway Bond is also physically fit and good with his hands. I mean even Roger Moore's Bond is good in fighting, eventhough back in those days fighting scenes weren't that real but well they were fighting scenes. Back to today, well we all have seen Casino Royale and the fights were brutal. But I believe Bond would win, eventhough he may suffer some injuries. I am not saying this because I am defending Bond or I am frustrated with all these stepping on Bond to make Bourne look good. Who came first? Bond or Bourne? Isn't Jason Bourne's name a good indication that the author may be influenced by James Bond novels? All these talk about the movie getting better reviews (same percentage I believe at rottentomatoes) or that earns more money (so? Bourne is the end. No more movies if you believe the producer. Bond is still going strong, stronger in fact than ever) but let's not forget Bond survived like what? 4 decades and dozens of films and a few actors' in the same role? It will survive this.

Which is great because you know I am just glad people did not compare the acting prowess between Matt Damon and Daniel Craig. That will set me off.

Oh yeah back to my answer, who would win and why? Bond and why?

If a man like Bond could take that kind of torture unleashed upon his ermmm...that part (as per Casino Royale) for a continous period of time (in the book an hour or so) and survive and still could walk, eat, talk AND shoot straight (shoot as in using the gun), that man could beat anyone. Bourne, Batman, Superman, Spiderman, invisible man, Fantastic Four, whoever combined.

Truth is Bourne and Bond are two distinct character. Why do people like to compare them? Do you compare Batman to Superman? Spiderman to Wonderwoman? The hulk with transformers? Indiana Jones with teenage mutant ninja turtles?

And that is my thoughts, thank you very much. I hate this kind of comparisons....urghhhhhh :twisted: :roll:
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I have never watched The Bourne movies and dont intend too. I just think Bourne is trying to the Amercian Bond.
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Funnlim: =D> =D> =D>

Wow, what a summation....feel better now?
I think it just goes to show that the viewing audience is desperate to see more of these types of films. Action for the guys, intelligence, sex appeal and dialogue for the girls. I heard that Matt Damon was considered to be the most bankable star for the investment due to the Bourne movies which made approx. $840 million (for the last 2 installments) - that is some serious coin - OMG.

It just so happened that the Bourne movies came out at a time when I think people were a little tired of the Bond formulas and wanted something "fresher" with a younger star to attract a younger audience. Matt obviously did that for Bourne on the American side.

Now that Ms. Broccoli (bless her) made the outstanding choice of Daniel Craig for Bond - the franchise is flipped 360 degrees and he "slayed" the role at a whopping $600 million+ for his first outing. Daniel deserves a lot of the credit and I'm hoping he gets paid more....that aside - just by the number of different ages on the forum - Daniel has drawn a much larger audience than Matt (from 14 to ??). Bond anytime!
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I don't compare them . I watch and enjoy them separatly . I just am more attached to Bond movies , I grew up with them .
I think Bourn's appeal is interesting since he is nice looking but not sexy to me .

Isn't it interesting that Jack Bauer of 24 also has the letters JB and is a agent ?

One thing about the Bond franchise I didn't like was how they never really addressd the revenge for the death of Bond's wife Tracy . They did a slip shod answer about 5 films later at the beginng of a film .
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WHOAH...Nice job there, funnlim! I can see you thought about that a great deal.

I must be honest...I've never seen any of the Bourne stuff. But it really doesn't appeal to me. It's just not a character that I really like. While I think, because of the hype it's getting, I might want to see the Bourne movies, I doubt it will have the same effect as the Bond movies...probably no re-watching for me.

The thing about Bond v. Bourne, as I can make out, is that Bourne gets all his complexity as a character from not knowing where he comes from and all that (again, haven't seen the movie, could be off-base). It's all about figuring out what has happened, and what will happen...which is like Bond, except that Bond has a character seperate from the plot. You can put him somewhere else and he still operates, while Jason Bourne would be boring if he wasn't trying to find himself, so to speak. Outside of the Bond movies and books, people can write fanfiction and imagine scenarios of what Bond would do in any situation. Bourne is glued to his movies.

But I should probably withhold judgement until I've seen some Bourne movies first, hmm?
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truth is I have been posting the same opinion in different places, albeit in different words and different lengths. Glad you all agree but yes, do watch the Bourne movies to see what's the fuss about. I for one could not see the fuss.
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next round :wink:

James Bond topples Jason Bourne in battle of the agents

In their weekly "Hero vs Hero" showdown, IGN pitted Daniel Craig's James Bond against Matt Damon's Jason Bourne to find out which spy came out on top with the public.

After thousands of votes, 007 edged Bourne out with a 54% approval rating.

The results were clearer at the box-office though, with "Casino Royale" scooping $594,239,066 worldwide compared to "The Bourne Ultimatum"'s haul of $441,161,071.


source: http://www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php?itemid=5681&catid=4
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:twisted: i forgot there was a second Bourne movie when the third bourne was released in the theaters :lol:
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