cheryl1700 wrote:Lu wrote:cheryl1700 wrote:Lu it wasnt particularly my cup of tea either, I must prefer a closed door, and leave it up to your imagination, like the ole b&W films, i have strong enough imagination to fill in the blanks and will always fast forward that part of the dvd when i get it.
But i did love the rest of it and the opening credits, reminded me of a bond film, lot effort gone into that.
I did like the rest of it very much! Only that rape scene...contrast it with Bjurman's "rape" a few scenes later. Why is Mara's scene so well lit and tits and ass showing and big drawn out process to strip her down, while Bjurman gets darkness and no explicitness, just mostly his facial expressions. Fincher's disgusting exploitative, sexist choices.
Also, why did Fincher choose to change the ending to make Lisbeth look weak, jealous, petty? It ruined the entire movie for me and pissed me off. Lisbeth deserved her chance to be the strong hero after all she accomplished in the movie. Ugh.
I havent read the books, but i did think it strange that Bjurman had a little flannel over his bits and pieces, cause that wouldnt happen.
I agree it was mostly his facial expressions that we saw, goose for gander and all that. If your going to be that graphic in a film, it should work the same for both sexes. (why didnt she strap him to the bed like he did her) agree sexist!
I just took the ending, that it showed MB that there "bedding" meant nothing to him. I also thought she would probably seek alittle revenge of her own in the future, for that. It did make her look as though she was looking for love, any love and grasping at straws, as she didnt have any of that in her life. Where she would have that many walls up in her mind, to protect herself, she wouldnt show him that sort of "love"; people like that make out they dont care.
Cheryl - I assume you meant why Bjurmann wasn't tied on the bed? Well he is a dead weight at that point and she probably dragged him from the doorway to the bedroom. He is a huge guy she can't lift him to the bed. Hence he was shackled and tortured on the floor.
Same room of torture but diff settings and lighting to create a diff mood maybe.
Bjurmann was naked too. When she gets up we see a pillow strategically placed to cover his front just a bit. That was the pillow she was sitting on when she did the tattooing.
I don't think DF is exploitative at all. He gave us in visuals what Larsson gave in words. If someone is said to be exploiting then it is both of them. It is uncomfortable to watch as any rape is. If they had left us to our imagination it would be a PG13 movie. They showed all the imp things that needed to be shown to understand where LS is coming from and her mistrust in others. She has been screwed over and over by many in her life. How are they going to justify her rage without at least showing this rape she went thru?
If they didn't show this, then the Bjurmann's torture should be closed doors too.
What about the sex scene with MB? She bares herself fully while he showed his naked back. Is that too much or too little? That scene was also described in the book. Just shows how comfortable she is in her sexuality.
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Lu - About the last scene - it was done perfectly. Just like the way I read it. LS may be strong but that doesn't make her weak to have emotions and to fall in love with someone. Her tough outlook is to keep others she doesn't trust at bay. Her armor. But she is a caring person. Look at how she is with Palmgren. MB is the only person who treats her with respect and she falls for him. The scene just before this when she tells Palmgren about having made a friend that he would approve of, her eyes showed happiness. Of course she is gutted when she sees MB with someone. In the book she was devastated hence her behavior in the 2 book.
I love DF and have become a fan after TSN and this.